RE: Advanced Keyword Search quirks?

["Young, Michelle" <myoung at vt dot edu>]

Ok thanks.  I am going to look into this further. -M

Michelle L. Young, MLS               
Virginia Tech, University Libraries
College Librarian, Assistant Professor
myoung at vt dot edu / 540.231.9285

"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears."
-Arabian Proverb

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From: innopac-bounces at innopacusers dot org
[mailto:innopac-bounces at innopacusers dot org] On Behalf Of Doris Munson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:13 PM
To: IUG INNOPAC List
Subject: Re: Advanced Keyword Search quirks?

The Advanced Keyword Search can be ranked by relevance, if the library 
allows relevance sorting.  The library chooses which sorting options it 
will allow through the "Advanced Searching: Ranking Options" in OPAC 
Options.  The options are:

A = Alphabetical
D = Date
R = Relevance

We allow all three, with Date as the default option.

By the way, we are on Millennium 2005 LE and relevancy ranking works
fine.

Regards,
Doris

Young, Michelle wrote:

>I am relatively new to all of this so I may be off the mark but, It is
>my understanding from page #101243 in the manual that the keyword field
>is not ranked by relevance and thus, no hits. -Michelle
>
> 
>
>For the Relevance option, the system uses the following rules to rank
>the search results:
>
>*         The four indexed fields Title, Author, Subject, and Note are
>ranked in order. Records that include a particular word or phrase from
>the search expression in the Title field will have a higher relevance
>than those in which the word or phrase appears in the Author field.
>Similarly, records that include the term(s) in the Author field will
>have a higher relevance than those in which the term(s) appear in the
>Subject field.
>
>*         For searches on a single word, the system first applies the
>"field rule" described above. It then determines relevance based on one
>of the following three rules:
>
>o        Most relevant -- The word is one of the first eight words
>indexed for the same record
>
>o        Next most relevant -- The word is one of the first thirty-two
>words indexed for the same record
>
>o        Last most relevant -- The word is indexed more than once in
the
>same record
>
>*         For searches including more than one word, the system first
>applies the "field rule" described above. It then determines relevance
>based on one of the following three rules:
>
>o        Most relevant -- The first two words are very near one another
>in the index
>
>o        Next most relevant -- The first two words are near one another
>in the index
>
>o        Last most relevant -- The words are indexed more than once in
>the same record
>
>
>Michelle L. Young, MLS               
>Virginia Tech, University Libraries
>College Librarian, Assistant Professor
>myoung at vt dot edu / 540.231.9285
>
>"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears."
>-Arabian Proverb
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: innopac-bounces at innopacusers dot org
>[mailto:innopac-bounces at innopacusers dot org] On Behalf Of Berger, Marianne
>C.
>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:13 PM
>To: IUG INNOPAC List
>Subject: RE: Advanced Keyword Search quirks?
>
>Could you share the number, we have the same thing happening here.
>
>Marianne
>
>Marianne Berger
>Reference Librarian/Professor
>College of DuPage Library
>425 Fawell Blvd.
>Glen Ellyn, IL 60136
>berger at cdnet dot cod dot edu
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>From: innopac-bounces at innopacusers dot org
>[mailto:innopac-bounces at innopacusers dot org] On Behalf Of Steve Sowder
>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:02 PM
>To: IUG INNOPAC List
>Subject: Re: Advanced Keyword Search quirks?
>
>
>Thanks for the info Craig.
>
>I called the helpdesk and I walked the tech through the search. At the 
>NO RECORDS FOUND I heard "huh?".
>
>I have a call tracking number now.
>
>
>Steve
>
>On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Craig Johnson wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Steve -
>>
>>Not sure why you're getting the zero "relevance" results - our catalog
>>    
>>
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>  
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>>gives the same numbers regardless of the sort.
>>
>>According to the manual, "near" is supposed to "retrieve records that 
>>contain the specified words or phrases within ten words of each other 
>>in the same indexed field." After looking in our catalog and a couple 
>>others, it's clear this is not even close to being accurate. The words
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>do not need to be in the same indexed field, nor do they need to be 
>>within ten words of each other. "Near" searches yield fewer hits than 
>>"and" searches, if not very many fewer, but I can't figure out what 
>>the criteria for the different results are.
>>
>>So... there's a bit more information for you, but I'm afraid the light
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I'm shedding on your questions isn't really what you're looking for.
>>
>>Craig Johnson
>>Iowa City Public Library
>>www.icpl.org 
>>ccjohnson at icpl dot org 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>>sowder at andrews dot edu 9/13/2005 8:52 AM >>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>We just completed (last Friday) the install of AKS and have since
>>discovered some interesting things.
>>
>>When I do an advanced search using "wom?n" as the search term and 
>>"date" as the sort term I get 11,197 hits. When I change the sort to
>>"relevance" I 
>>get zero hits.  Why?
>>
>>When I search for "church near school" I get hits that have the word
>>"church" in a tag 110 field and "school" in a 500 tag.  The "near" to
>>me 
>>appears to be a bit "to far" away. Why does it think it is near?
>>
>>Those who have gone through this before please enlighten me.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Steve Sowder                             Systems Librarian
>>sowder at andrews dot edu                      Andrews University   
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